Gaslighting.
Mark Alford (r) [2023 file photo].
Today:
Mark Alford
[April 16, 2025]
The Real ID Act was passed way back in 2005, 20 years ago!!!! It’s about time everyone stop dragging their feet. Quit scrolling through social media, quit complaining, get your info together, and get down to the DMV to get your Real ID.
“The Real ID Act was passed way back in 2005, 20 years ago!!!!….”
Not in Missouri, you ahistorical dumbass.
HB 361 (2009)
“….The department of revenue shall not amend procedures for applying for a driver’s license or identification card in order to comply with the goals or standards of the federal REAL ID Act of 2005, any rules or regulations promulgated under the authority granted in such act….”
From the Journal of the House [pdf], April 16, 2009:
Fifty-sixth Day–Thursday, April 16, 2009 1104
On motion of Representative Guest, HCS HB 361 was read the third time and passed by the following vote:
AYES: 083
Allen Brandom Brown 30 Brown 149 Bruns Burlison Cooper Cunningham Davis Day Deeken Denison Dethrow Dieckhaus Diehl Dixon Dougherty Dugger Dusenberg Emery Ervin Faith Fisher 125 Flanigan Flook Franz Funderburk Gatschenberger Grisamore Guest Hobbs Hoskins 121 Icet Jones 89 Jones 117 Keeney Kingery Koenig Kraus Lair Leara Lipke Loehner McGhee McNary Meiners Molendorp Munzlinger Nance Nieves Nolte Parkinson Pollock Pratt Riddle Ruestman Ruzicka Sander Sater Schaaf Schad Scharnhorst Schlottach Schoeller Self Smith 14 Smith 150 Stevenson Stream Sutherland Swinger Thomson Tilley Tracy Wallace Wasson Wells Weter Wilson 130 Wright Yates Zerr Mr Speaker
NOES: 069
Atkins Aull Biermann Bivins Brown 50 Brown 73 Burnett Calloway Carter Casey Chappelle-Nadal Colona Corcoran Cox Curls El-Amin Englund Fallert Fischer 107 Frame Grill Guernsey Hodges Hoskins 80 Hughes Hummel Kander Kelly Kirkton Komo Kratky Kuessner Lampe Largent LeBlanc Liese Low McClanahan McDonald McNeil Meadows Nasheed Norr Oxford Pace Quinn Roorda Rucker Scavuzzo Schieffer Schoemehl Schupp Shively Silvey Skaggs Spreng Still Storch Talboy Todd Viebrock Vogt Walsh Walton Gray Webber Wildberger Wood Yaeger Zimmerman
PRESENT: 003
Bringer Harris Witte
ABSENT WITH LEAVE: 008
Holsman Jones 63 LeVota Morris Parson Salva Webb Wilson 119
[….]
Well, let’s see, the republicans who voted against REAL ID in Missouri in 2009 included Eric Burlison (r) and Denny Hoskins (r). Those names sound so familiar.
Have you spoken with them about this, Mark?
From the Journal of the Senate [pdf], May 13, 2009:
Journal of the Senate 1804
[….]
On motion of Senator Purgason, HCS for HB 361 was read the 3rd time and passed by the following vote:
YEAS—Senators Barnitz Bartle Bray Callahan Champion Clemens Crowell Cunningham Days Dempsey Engler Goodman Green Griesheimer Justus Lager Lembke Mayer McKenna Nodler Pearce Purgason Ridgeway Rupp Schaefer Shields Shoemyer Smith Stouffer Vogel Wilson Wright-Jones—32
NAYS—Senators—None
Absent—Senators Schmitt Scott—2
Absent with leave—Senators—None
Vacancies—None The President declared the bill passed.
[….]
Eric Schmitt (r) was absent in 2009. Fitting.
That was then, this is now, apparently.
Some of the responses to Mark Alford (r):
Republicans in Missouri fought Real ID and, according to these comments, still are. At least acknowledge that it was the Missouri GOP that has caused it to take so long.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
Mark Alford there’s quite a difference between being a man getting a real id vs a woman getting real id. A woman needs to bring more documents to get it and even though it is the right document, will be told it’s not because we were married so long ago and my license looks different than today’s version. Do you know where your marriage license is right now? I bet you don’t. After 30 years of marriage and moving houses a few times, I found mine. Took it in. It said “marriage license” was told not good enough. Had to dig some more found other documents and that somehow sufficed. Think about women who have been divorced. Men who are divorced show up with the same paperwork as a single man, married once man or a man married 20 times. Women have to have documents for every marriage and divorce. And even then that may not be good enough. It took less paperwork to get my passport than to get real id. I never once needed a marriage license to get a passport. I needed less proof of my identity to fly internationally than I do domestically. How is that right?
If you are a woman and have been married more than once be prepared to bring your marriage certificate AND divorce decree for each and every marriage. I was married just once before and didn’t know this. I had to mail off to get those documents from the state we were married and divorced in. It’s harder to get a Real ID than to get a US Passport.
There have been so many deadlines. It should already have been completed with everyone renewing their license every 10 years or 3 years. Apparently it’s the state that has been dragging their feet.
“Apparently it’s the republicans that has been dragging their feet.” Fixed it for you.
When the SAVE Act becomes law, all these folks complaining about Real ID being unconstitutional, too hard to get, or something they don’t trust will be out there screaming their right to vote is being denied.
A feature, not a bug.
Really I was born in the USA what’s wrong with my drivers license? State of Missouri says it’s valid. Why do I gotta pay another $12 to get a star put on it and then wait for four hours at the DMV
Four hours. Obviously an optimist.
I am a citizen. I pay taxes. I have constitutional rights. If I choose not to obtain a REAL ID, a federally imposed credential.
I should not be denied my right to vote. Conditioning my right to representation on participation in a federal identification program transforms a right into a privilege.
That’s unconstitutional.
I do not consent to a biometric surveillance state. HART + federated contractors
You voted for him, probably.
The problem with getting the Real ID for women is obtaining all the paperwork, I already had to show marriage documents when I changed my name on my SS card AND my drivers license for both marriages so why should I need to show it again. They are asking for paperwork that was generated over 40 yrs ago. It’s easy for men to say, “what’s the big deal” but they don’t have to go through the additional processes, I understand wanting proof of citizenship but that was provided years and years ago when I provided my birth certificate to get my drivers license at the age of 16. Not to mention, it takes FOREVER to get any documents because work efficiency within the government is terrible. They rarely even answer the phones and then want to charge an arm and a leg for each piece of paper.
They consider that a feature, not a bug.
It’s infuriating how republicans yell about smaller government and having the government stay out of their lives sometimes, yet other times…
Let me make sure I understand this. You want me to collect several documents from the government, so I can lose a days pay to go show them to the government?
LOL Missouri requested and received multiple extensions from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to comply with the federal REAL ID Act. Missouri was among the last states to adopt REAL ID due to legislative delays.
And which party has been in control of the Missouri General Assembly for over twenty years? We’ll wait.
Olathe runs well, too. You can make an appointment and that process is easy and efficient. You only go to one ‘station’ now to do it all and the gentleman who helped me was friendly, competent, and speedy. They have smoothed out the bumps.
Ma’am, Olathe is in Kansas.
Mark Alford (r) [2024 file photo].
Previously:
HB 361 (2009): creating a REAL ID mess for Missourians – HB 151 and HB 166 (2017): sort of try to fix it (December 14, 2016)
