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Vicky Hartzler defends DOMA on the PBS NewsHour

28 Friday Jun 2013

Posted by Michael Bersin in Uncategorized

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DOMA, Eric Schneiderman, gay marriage, missouri, PBS NewsHour, Vicky Hartzler

PBS NewsHour had Missouri’s Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-4) on this evening to talk about the Supreme Court ruling on DOMA. Her opposite number, the counterpoint to her rather dull point, was New York’s Attorney General, Eric Schneiderman, who has distinguished himself by going after bad actors in the world of big finance. Given the brevity of the interview and its formal nature, both of which militate against real argument, it’s not fair to say that Schneiderman routed Hartzler – there’s an audience that sucks up the standard rightwing lines that she seems to have memorized. But Schneiderman did an excellent job pointing out that there’s no room to dither on questions of essential human rights. There’s  a transcript and video here if you’re interested. I include a few highlights (Schneiderman) and lowlights (Hartzler) below:

Hartzler seems to think we must act like bigots for the sake of the children: “it makes sense for children that we have and uphold marriage as between one man and one woman. It’s for the best for them, and we should be able to uphold that ideal for them.” While Hartzler smiled obliviously and blinked compulsively, Schneiderman neatly parried:

The only children that are being hurt by states that discriminate against marriage equality are the kids being raised by gay couples. There’s no harm to our families, straight families who have kids or want to be married or get divorced from authorizing and empowering same-sex couples.

Hartzler repeated a common accusation over the past two days: the Supreme Court’s ruling is anti-democratic because it voided California’s Prop 8. Here Schneiderman implicitly let the full weight of his contempt fall on poor Hartzler when he pointed out the obvious:

… there is a reason we have a Constitution in this country. There is a reason that there are some laws you just can’t pass. You can’t pass a law saying black people aren’t equal to white people or women aren’t equal to men.  […] . You can’t pass a law that discriminates against gay couples and gay people from — and that’s just in keeping with our American tradition. And I think, in 20 or 30 years, people will look back on this as we now look back on Loving v. Virginia and the days of prohibition of interracial marriages and say, what were they thinking?

The funniest thing that Hartzler said, however, was that the reason for DOMA was to avoid administering federal laws while navigating a patchwork of differing laws across the states:

Well, I think it speaks to why they passed that initially, that marriage at the federal level is between one man and one woman, because there’s over 1,000 different federal laws that have to do with marriage.

And so it was for a very practical reason. It wasn’t for — against — animus against anyone, as if [sic] Justice Kennedy portrayed. It was because of a very practical reason.

She’s essentially saying here that the federal government decided to enshrine bigotry in law because folks dedicated to a similar sort of bigotry have commandeered lots of statehouses and passed some nasty laws and to do differently would make life complicated for federal officials. Didn’t somebody once say that consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds? Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Vicky Hartzler.  

More on states’ rights

27 Thursday Jun 2013

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DOMA, gay marriage, John Yeats, LGBT, missouri, Missouri Baptist Convention, Proposition 8, Supreme Court

From the executive director of the Missouri Baptist Convention:

Response to the Landmark Supreme Court decisions

Decisions June 26 by the U.S. Supreme Court regarding California’s Proposition 8 and a key provision in the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) do not sound the death knell for the marriage debate, according to John Yeats, executive director of the Missouri Baptist Convention….

“The Court’s decisions do not surprise us, but they disappoint us for at least two reasons,” said Yeats. “First, the branches of our federal government continue to chisel away states’ rights to carry out the will of their people. Second, and more disturbing, they reflect the fact that a growing number of Americans increasingly embrace behaviors that violate natural law and biblical truth. The Supreme Court had the opportunity to uphold marriage and return authority for marriage policy to citizens and their elected officials but chose instead to legislate from the bench.”

Even so, the marriage debate continues, said Yeats. Instead of casting rocks at the Court or bemoaning the advances of the gay agenda, Christians should stand on Scripture and search their own souls. One reason Christians seem to be losing the debate is because our lives don’t show evidence that morality truly makes a difference.

“Our divorce rates, sexual immorality, and other worldly pursuits mirror those of society in general,” he said. “Our words about God’s power to transform lives ring hollow because too often our actions show we don’t really believe it. Our example should always be Jesus. He showed the deepest compassion for the greatest sinners, yet He never compromised on the truth of human sinfulness and the need for God’s forgiveness….”

Previously:

Ding, dong, DOMA’s dead (June 26, 2013)

Last plaintiff without standing (June 26, 2013)

Rep. Vicky Hartzler (r): but, but, the Supreme Court ignored all the children (June 26, 2013)

Rep. Ann Wagner (r): forget the children, it’s all about states’ rights (June 26, 2013)

Rep. Vicky Hartzler (r): “Now that Michele Bachmann is leaving it’s my turn…” (June 26, 2013)

Rep. Vicky Hartzler (r): “Now that Michele Bachmann is leaving it’s my turn…”

27 Thursday Jun 2013

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4th Congressional District, DOMA, gay marriage, LGBT, missouri, Proposition 8, Supreme Court, Vicky Hartzler

Previously:

Ding, dong, DOMA’s dead (June 26, 2013)

Last plaintiff without standing (June 26, 2013)

Rep. Vicky Hartzler (r): but, but, the Supreme Court ignored all the children (June 26, 2013)

Rep. Ann Wagner (r): forget the children, it’s all about states’ rights (June 26, 2013)

Via Twitter:

Rep. Vicky Hartzler ‏@RepHartzler

VIDEO: Led press conference on #SCOTUS #DOMA decision today. [….] 11:40 AM – 26 Jun 13

And there was one reply:

RJ Equality Ingram ‏@RJEquality

@RepHartzler Your opposition to equality & love will forever be recorded as a mistake in the congressional record, Congresswoman. 11:43 AM – 26 Jun 13

The video:

Representative Vicky Hartzler (r): Good morning, everyone. We’re here today to respond to the Supreme Court’s ruling on the Defense of Marriage Act and Proposition 8. We believe the court got it wrong on these rulings. The court’s activist ruling on the Defense of Marriage Act ignored the votes of a bipartisan majority of Congress. This is a dangerous precedent which strips power away from Congress with respect to defining national marriage policy. We must work to defend the rights of Americans to make marriage policy. Additionally, the Proposition 8 ruling is a loss for the millions of Americans who have gone to the ballot box to voice their support for marriage between one man and one woman. California’s governor and attorney general who refused to defend the people’s wishes abandoned the people of California is a loss for democratic self government [sic]. With the Supreme Court denying them standing they have left the people voiceless. While California silenced the voices of their citizens the Supreme Court has not created a constitutional right to same sex marriage. Thirty-eight states have affirmed the belief of their citizens that marriage exists between a man and a woman and is a necessary building block of stable society. The debate over marriage will continue with the states leading the way. We must work to defend the rights of Americans to make [garbled] policy. We should work to promote the truth of marriage between a man and a woman. It is wise policy to uphold the reality that every child deserves a mom and a dad and society as a whole benefits when they do….

“…Thirty-eight states have affirmed the belief of their citizens that marriage exists between a man and a woman and is a necessary building block of stable society…”

That horse left the barn a long time ago:

Barely Half of U.S. Adults Are Married – A Record Low

….In 1960, 72% of all adults ages 18 and older were married; today just 51% are. If current trends continue, the share of adults who are currently married will drop to below half within a few years. Other adult living arrangements-including cohabitation, single-person households and single parenthood-have all grown more prevalent in recent decades….

….The United States is by no means the only nation where marriage has been losing “market share” for the past half century. The same trend has taken hold in most other advanced post-industrial societies, and these long-term declines appear to be largely unrelated to the business cycle. The declines have persisted through good economic times and bad….

Damn. We’re all going to hell in a handbasket.

“…We should work to promote the truth of marriage between a man and a woman. It is wise policy to uphold the reality that every child deserves a mom and a dad and society as a whole benefits when they do…”

Again:

….We’re looking forward to Representative Hartzler (r) starting the process for constitutional amendments banning divorce and enforcing shotgun weddings….

We’ll be waiting with bated breath.

Rep. Ann Wagner (r): forget the children, it’s all about states’ rights

26 Wednesday Jun 2013

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2nd Congressional District, Ann Wagner, DOMA, gay marriage, LGBT, missouri, Proposition 8, Supreme Court

Previously:

Ding, dong, DOMA’s dead (June 26, 2013)

Last plaintiff without standing (June 26, 2013)

Rep. Vicky Hartzler (r): but, but, the Supreme Court ignored all the children (June 26, 2013)

A statement released today by Representative Ann Wagner (r) in reference to today’s two U.S. Supreme Court decisions on the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) and California’s Proposition 8:

Wagner Statement on Supreme Court’s Ruling on DOMA and Prop 8

Jun 26, 2013

Press Release

Washington, DC – Congresswoman Ann Wagner (R-MO) released the following statement in response to the Supreme Court’s ruling on the Defense of Marriage Act and Proposition 8:

“I believe in the sanctity of traditional marriage and believe that it should be up to states’ to determine the definition of marriage.  The people of Missouri have spoken and over 70% of Missourians’ decided that marriage should be between one man and one woman.  I will always support states’ rights and the people of Missouri have made their decision.”

I wonder if she’ll join Representative Vicky Hartzler (r) in sponsoring those constitutional amendments banning divorce and enforcing shotgun weddings. Nah. States’ rights.  

Ding, dong, DOMA’s dead

26 Wednesday Jun 2013

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The Supreme Court ruled today, 5-4, that the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional:

UNITED STATES v. WINDSOR, EXECUTOR OF THE ESTATE OF SPYER, ET AL. [pdf]

CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT

No. 12-307. Argued March 27, 2013-Decided June 26, 2013

…The class to which DOMA directs its restrictions and restraints are those persons who are joined in same-sex marriages made lawful by the State. DOMA singles out a class of persons deemed by a State entitled to recognition and protection to enhance their own liberty. It imposes a disability on the class by refusing to acknowledge a status the State finds to be dignified and proper. DOMA instructs all federal officials, and indeed all persons with whom same-sex couples interact, including their own children, that their marriage is less worthy than the marriages of others. The federal statute is invalid, for no legitimate purpose overcomes the purpose and effect to disparage and to injure those whom the State, by its marriage laws, sought to protect in personhood and dignity.By seeking to displace this protection and treating those persons as living in marriages less respected than others,the federal statute is in violation of the Fifth Amendment. This opinion and its holding are confined to those lawful marriages.

The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit is affirmed.

It is so ordered.

It’ll be interesting to see the reaction of all those members of Congress who voted for the legislation. Real profiles in courage, that.

Via Twitter:

Ari Berman ‏@AriBerman

Scalia & Roberts dissents in #DOMA fault court for judicial activism. Funny how that didn’t stop them from radically gutting #VRA 9:12 AM – 26 Jun 13

Is anyone surprised?

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D): even more trolls

27 Wednesday Mar 2013

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Claire McCaskill, DOMA, facebook, marriage equality, missouri, trolls

Previously:

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D): for marriage equality (March 24, 2013)

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D): cue the trolls (March 25, 2013)

Senator Claire McCaskill (D) [file photo]

Even more anti marriage equality troll excess on Senator Claire McCaskill’s facebook page:

….”Dear Claire,

Your official position on same-sex marriage will be changing. From now on, you are for it. As always, thank you for your blind compliance.

Signed,

Dem Leadership”….

….Shame on Claire. You never stated an agree or disagree with the same sex marrage until your lord and God Obama made a stand. If there is actually a statement on recored before he made his politically correct statement. If their is please print it also all the links that I can check on it….

….Claire: Do you love that unborn aborted child? After all, Cell division is proof of life. Human DNA is proof of human life, and Human DNA different than that of the mother is proof of individual human life….

….The common misconception is that you serve the people, but some are aware you and those like you serve yourself. Adults don’t want their lives controlled by what your children think or what you think history will agree with. It usually agrees with who writes it, not fact….

Is that a fact?

The trolls continue:

….What one generation does, the next generation takes to excess. When will it end?….

Uh, when there’s equality for everyone? Just guessing.

….I disagree with your stand Senator. Looking fwd to your leaving office….

The earliest would be January 2019.

….But if your Love and Hope is not in God, then the bible quote will not pertain to you..

You must worship the creator, not the created!! I noticed the post about claire wanting gay marriage in Missouri to pass was deleted, this sort of behavior (gay and lesbian) is an abomination and against the laws of God!! I will still pray for you and those lost to this way of life..

It won’t matter how many times this sort of posts get deleted, or how many fancy distorted ways you advocate for this behavior, you will not escape your judgement day with God, nor will any of us!! I urge you please, reconsider your position on this matter….

Ah, someone with a direct line.

….Clarie’s childern must be queers!….

….So are you pretending to be a christian now.Claire?….

Who’s asking?

….This is why you’ll be unemployed soon….

Uh, January 2019 at the earliest. Are there no trolls who understand the length of a term for a United States Senator? Seriously?

….Your turning one Nation Under God into One Nation Head to Hell…Marriage is a Biblical joining of a man and a women Government should not have anything to do with marriages….

I think we just met the first person in line who gave up their federal tax advantages when it comes to marriage. Yeah, right.

The trolls doth protest too much, methinks.

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D): cue the trolls

25 Monday Mar 2013

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Previously:

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D): for marriage equality (March 24, 2013)

Senator Claire McCaskill (D) [file photo].

Today, on Senator Claire McCaskill’s (D) facebook page:

“Good people disagree with me. On the other hand, my children have a hard time understanding why this is even controversial. I think history will agree with my children.” – Claire

Some of the responses:

…Why are U S Border Patrol uniforms being made in Mexico?…

…Strange that you don’t think the government should say who you can marry, yet you want to tell us what firearms to own, how much ammunition and what type we can own. Glad to see your so open minded…

…I totally disagree with your vote for gun control through the UN. Your name is on the list of those voting in favor of UN gun control. I WILL do everything in my power to vote you out next year. You are trampling upon my constitutional rights as a law abiding citizen. While doing nothing to stop CRIMINALS…

It’s 2017 already? Seems like yesterday…

Let’s do the Time Warp again:

…It’s astounding, time is fleeting

Madness takes its toll

But listen closely, not for very much longer

I’ve got to keep control…

And, it continues:

…All who are from the State of Missouri Vote McCaskill out of office. She is failing to up hold her Oath of office and our constitution…

…Homosexual or same sex marriage is wrong, I will not support it for it is a sin. You have gays saying our lifestyle is wrong. they can not procreate for their existance. they indoctrinate…

…So… Who are you working for exactly?…

…Serious question: Why is there no effort to legalize polygamy? Can polygamists from other countries legally immigrate with their entire family to our country? I do not really understand why the legalization of polygamy doesn’t come before the legalization of same sex relationships…

…Funny how AFTER the election you have come to a NEW conclusion…

…Ms. McCaskill’s arrogance is breath-taking. Funny how people like McCaskill can find rights that aren’t in the constitution but cannot see the one’s that are there in black-and-white…

…Once and for all. God does not hate gay people. He loves gay people. God hates the act of homo-sexual sex which he considers sin. There will be people in heaven who will have committed this sin. However there is not going to be anyone who makes their sin their God there…

Senator McCaskill needs to get better trolls.

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D): for marriage equality

25 Monday Mar 2013

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Senator Claire McCaskill (D) [file photo]

Today, a post on Senator Claire McCaskill’s (D) non-government web site:

And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. I Corinthians 13

The question of marriage equality is a great American debate. Many people, some with strong religious faith, believe that marriage can only exist between a man and a woman. Other people, many of whom also have strong religious faith, believe that our country should not limit the commitment of marriage to some, but rather all Americans, gay and straight should be allowed to fully participate in the most basic of family values.

I have come to the conclusion that our government should not limit the right to marry based on who you love. While churches should never be required to conduct marriages outside of their religious beliefs, neither should the government tell people who they have a right to marry.

My views on this subject have changed over time, but as many of my gay and lesbian friends, colleagues and staff embrace long term committed relationships, I find myself unable to look them in the eye without honestly confronting this uncomfortable inequality. Supporting marriage equality for gay and lesbian couples is simply the right thing to do for our country, a country founded on the principals of liberty and equality.

Good people disagree with me. On the other hand, my children have a hard time understanding why this is even controversial. I think history will agree with my children.

The times they are a-changin’…

HCR 45: the good thing for republicans is they don't think it applies to Newt Gingrich (r)

12 Saturday Mar 2011

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DOMA, HCR 45, Hypocrisy, missouri, Newt Gingrich

For the sponsors that would probably be a feature, not a bug.

Jobs initiatives, what jobs initiatives? It’s all about teh gays with republicans:

HCR 45

Urges the President of the United States and the United States Congress to uphold and defend the federal Defense of Marriage Act

Sponsor: Pollock, Darrell (146)

Co-Sponsor: Gatschenberger, Chuck (013) … et al.

Proposed Effective Date: 8/28/2011

LR Number: 1974L.01I

Last Action: 3/10/2011 – Offered (H)

Bill String: HCR 45

Next Hearing: Hearing not scheduled

Calendar: Bill currently not on a calendar

So, if you’re gonna “defend” marriage do you think any or all of your party’s potential presidential nominees should probably be successful at it first? Just asking.

The bill:

FIRST REGULAR SESSION

House Concurrent Resolution No. 45

96TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY



INTRODUCED BY REPRESENTATIVES POLLOCK (Sponsor), GATSCHENBERGER, DUGGER, WELLS, WRIGHT, LOEHNER, KEENEY, ROWLAND, COX, LANT, REIBOLDT, DAVIS, FUHR, SCHOELLER, ENTLICHER, HOSKINS, SCHAD, SOLON, STREAM, THOMSON, COOKSON, BROWN (116), HIGDON, KORMAN, DENISON, LONG, KOENIG, FISHER, GRISAMORE, CURTMAN, McCAHERTY, FREDERICK, SCHATZ, HOUGHTON, CRAWFORD, ELMER, HAMPTON, CIERPIOT, SCHIEBER, FITZWATER, HOUGH, CROSS, JONES (89), LICHTENEGGER, LASATER, BAHR, FRAKER, WALLINGFORD, RICHARDSON, JONES (117), FUNDERBURK, FLANIGAN AND ASBURY (Co-sponsors).

1974L.01I

           WHEREAS, states have plenary power to recognize marriages, to establish their own public policies with regard to the institution of marriage, and to provide for the benefits related to marriage in a rational manner; and

           WHEREAS, Article I, Section 33 of the Missouri Constitution states:

“That to be valid and recognized in this state, a marriage shall exist only between a man and a woman.”; and

           WHEREAS, Article I, Section 33 of the Missouri Constitution as adopted on August 3, 2004, is an expression of the supermajority will of Missouri citizens having passed in every county in Missouri and having passed by a total percentage of 71% in favor of the amendment; and

           WHEREAS, the primary function and purpose of Article I, Section 33 of the Missouri Constitution is to express the State of Missouri’s support for the longstanding secular and religious tradition of marriage between a man and a woman and not to invidiously discriminate against a particular class of persons; and

           WHEREAS, the extremely rare and perplexing refusal of President Barack Obama’s Administration to defend the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act in federal court, as expressed in a February 23, 2011, letter from Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr. to House Speaker John Boehner, is a serious threat to the rule of law; and

           WHEREAS, the Obama Administration’s articulation of a novel legal theory whereby sexual orientation is elevated to the status of “heightened scrutiny” under the Equal Protection Clause of the United States Constitution is without precedential support, and poses a serious threat to the longstanding rights of the states to recognize marriage and to establish their own public policies with regard to the institution of marriage:

           NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the members of the House of Representatives of the Ninety-sixth General Assembly, First Regular Session, the Senate concurring therein, hereby urge the United States Congress and the President of the United States to uphold and defend the federal Defense of Marriage Act; and

           BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Missouri General Assembly further urges the United States Congress and the President of the United States to uphold and defend the traditional right of states to legislate with a rational basis to recognize marriages, establish their own public policies with regard to the institution of marriage, and to provide benefits related to the institution of marriage; and

           BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Chief Clerk of the Missouri House of Representatives be instructed to prepare properly inscribed copies of this resolution for the President of the United States, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, and each member of the Missouri Congressional Delegation.

[emphasis in original]

Jobs? What jobs?

Vicky Hartzler has some language problems – with English

04 Friday Mar 2011

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This morning’s Prime Buzz reports that Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-4), stalwart defender of marriage as a strictly heterosexual right, has this to say about the president’s instructions to the DOJ to cease defending the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in the courts:

President Obama’s decision to order his Justice Department to stop defending DOMA is not a surprise but it is disappointing,” Hartzler said.

“Once we start going down the road of selectively enforcing our laws we are headed for chaos. President Obama took an oath to uphold the laws of the United States and he is breaking his word to the American people …

The good citizens of the 4th Congressional District are expected to follow the law and President Obama should not put himself above the law.

Does anyone see what’s wrong with this? “To defend” is not the equivalent of “to enforce,” although Miss Vicky uses them interchangeably.

In fact, the Obama administration has in no way suggested not enforcing the law of the land, however mistaken it might be. Obama has, however, decided, like Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush before him, that that his administration should not join in the active defense of a law he deems logically indefensible. As Rick Ungar further elaborates:

In fact, as there exists a federal law requiring the President to inform Congress when the Department of Justice chooses not to support the constitutionality of a particular act of Congress, we know that this has happened thirteen times.

The legal justification for these actions has long been accepted law …

So all that remains to do is for somebody to volunteer to teach Vicky Hartzler how to parse English.

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