“The most dangerous place to stand in Washington D.C. is any place between Senator Josh Hawley and a live microphone” – Charles P. Pierce
Today:
Aaron Rupar @atrupar
That Josh Hawley directed all of his questions during the Senate election hearing to cable news bloviator Ken Starr instead of Chris Krebs — a person who actually has first-hand knowledge of election security — says a lot about his level of fraudulence 11:44 AM · Dec 16, 2020
Responses [in the thread] to Josh Hawley’s (r) statement that “these are not crazy people” in relating his constituents’ beliefs:
Maybe if our elected officials would stop telling people that the election was rigged the people would stop repeating their lies.
Hawley’s constituents are “normal, reasonable people” who can be forgiven for not expecting that their Senator and his GOP colleagues would shamelessly push lies on them to make them think they were disenfranchised.
Is Stanford and Yale law grad still railing against the elites?
Hard to figure out who is a bigger phony in the 2024 race for the MAGA party nomination—Hawley or Cruz.
@HawleyMO – if 30 people believed the moon was made of cheese, would that mean that the moon was, in fact, cheddar?
Logical fallacies are fun!
Argumatum ad populum, “appeal to the masses” is a personal favorite. Trump uses it constantly. “People are saying, “many people agree”
He’s like a conspiracy robot that starts slow when you press play, then you have gradually turn up the speed knob until it hits its full lunacy stride
Heh.
Trump won Missouri so I don’t get what the problem is. You know he wasn’t talking to Democrats who may have actually been disenfranchised.
but there were 30 people.
And I’m sure they were 30 very fine people. People in my part of Missouri voted overwhelmingly for Republicans and there are a lot of lunatics among them.
Former Prep School kid turned Stanford & Yale educated lawyer disguising himself as salt of the earth common man.
Did anyone ask Hawley WHY they’re convinced? WHAT HAPPENED in their individual vote experience that leads to this belief? Sounds like the Aliens Abducted Me crowd so far.
Well, yes, Missouri republicans.
They only believe that because trump conned them into an alternate reality. That’s the cold hard truth. Also, it doesn’t matter AT ALL if they genuinely feel like that, I hope they get over it soon.
30 Republican voters think the election was rigged because the top elected official in the US has been telling them the election was rigged for 6 months.
Who knew ?
I laughed when he said these aren’t crazy people.
I’d have asked him to define crazy between the 30 people he mentioned and other trumpers.
I do believe Josh Hawley when he says there are only 30 non crazy people who believe in this conspiracy theory.
We see what you did there.
30 normal people convinced they were abducted by aliens.
Relax, it’s Missouri.
Yeah, if they told you that, they are crazy. Like, as in batshit-style.
Forget their “feelings” and “beliefs”……What are the facts?!
Ok, give Trump 30 more votes and can we please move on now?
He did speak with 30 people though.
He says.
I am from MO.. I guarantee he did not talk to “normal people”
Josh Hawley doesn’t talk to ordinary citizens from Missouri. He doesn’t even answer his phone when constituents call.
Narrator: They were, in fact, crazy people.
Batshit crazy.
Lots of people feel like the Earth is flat, Josh.
“normal people” okay, bruh.
No Josh, they are crazy. And you know it.
All 30 huh.
These people are, indeed, crazy.
But they are crazy people.
Doesn’t he mean back home in Virginia… where he lives?
We see what you did there.
30 whole people?
Hawley is not to bright, eh?
“…Now I know he went to Yale, I think, or Harvard, one of those, one of those fancy ones…”
He’s been practicing that finger wag in the mirror for days
Wow.. he talked to a whole 30 Missourians?! With a population just over 6 million that is basically the entire state.
Memo to Josh Hawley – They believe that shit because YOU tell them that
Shhhhh. He thinks it’s a secret.
The key word choice here is that the people he describes “felt” like they were disenfranchised. Critically, Hawley doesn’t cite any evidence presented to him re voter fraud nor did he apparently ask for any. All that matters to GOP voters is that they “feel” they should have won.
Josh Hawley is stunningly full of shit!
The fact that the only people in Missouri who want to talk to Josh Hawley are the deluded dolts who think any outcome except re-election of Cheeto Jesus is a crime does not mean they’re actually sane, it just means sane people avoid Hawley.
He doesn’t answer our calls, he doesn’t visit with us…
they are not normal, reasonable people. They are willfully ignorant assholes. they “disbelieve” the election results specifically because it scratches a dark impulse to hurt other people
Did Josh learn in debate class at Harvard that repeatedly insisting his argument is totally normal and not at all crazy before making it strengthens an argument?
One of those fancy ones.
They’re not normal, reasonable people, Josh. Crazy conspiracy theorists were assembled to feed you bullshit.
“You don’t expect someone with a degree in ethics to acquire a list by other than lawful means.”
The Missouri House Special Investigative Committee on Oversight charged with investigating Governor Eric Greitens (r) heard testimony from Michael Hafner, a political consultant who worked for the campaign early on.
Also this afternoon:
Scott Charton @ScottCharton
The @EricGreitens House of Cards is collapsing this afternoon. Cole County Circuit Court ruling to open secret records. Devastating sworn #moleg testimony on breaking campaign finance laws. #Greitens is grabbing his rappeling gear for Capitol exit. #moleg #mogov 3:15 PM – 29 May 2018 from Missouri, USA
Ruh, roh.
My running comments on the testimony, via Twitter:
Missouri House Special Investigative Committee on Oversight – hearing live stream
Michael Hafner – $4000 a month, work out of EG’s office 3 or so days a week.
Missouri House Special Investigative Committee on Oversight – hearing live stream
Michael Hafner – A lot of time 3 or 4 day a week, but not a full time employee.
Michael Hafner – “Had other discussions with campaign finance attorneys [about 501c] fundraising.” “They had a high billable rate [DC attorneys], so I was told to keep the time to a minimum.”
Michael Hafner – The compilation of multiple campaign donor lists when MH worked for EG campaign. MH did not use Tom Schweich list, was uncomfortable with using it. It was professionally compiled.
Michael Hafner – contact and donor history on campaign donor list was quite extensive.
Michael Hafner – I don’t believe Mr. Schweich cared for Eric Greitens. Believes that the Schweich campaign donor list was taken from TS without permission.
Michael Hafner – As far as I’m aware, foreign donor campaign contributions are illegal. [Chair states that they are illegal.]
Michael Hafner – I would never advise accepting foreign campaign donations. You don’t want foreign entities influencing your election process.
Michael Hafner – Question: proprtion/outstate contributions? “It’d be hard for me to give a percentage.” In 2016 there was an incredible amount of national money.
Michael Hafner – Greitens raised “an abnormal amount” of money from out of state.
Michael Hafner – Can’t identify donors who gave through PACs. We don’t know who gave to Seals for Truth or LG PACs.
Michael Hafner – At the time in Missouri anyone could give any amount. Setting up a PAC only served to hide the identity of the donor.
Michael Hafner – Alex Rogers – “There were commitments from Alex early in the campaign to give a lot of money and raise alot of money.”
Michael Hafner – Didn’t know who the entity in campaign was to invoice at start of campaign. [….] I wouldn’t have invoiced the committee because there wasn’t a campaign committee at the time.
Michael Hafner – First check to MH was paid by check from Greitens Group.
Michael Hafner – Other consultants told EG if John Brunner ran for governor that they would be with Brunner. MH was told by EG campaign was taking a “stategic pause” in their relationship with him
Michael Hafner – On relationship with EG – “I’m not invited to BBQs.” “I’m here because of the subpeonas and because I want the truth to come out.”.
MH – There’s some pretty wicked stuff being thrown around on social media. They’ll try to frame this as I’m a disgruntled employee. I’m here to defend my testimony, not let others define it for me.
Michael Hafner – Discussion of 501c(3) [charities can’t make campaign contributions] – may be typo. Greitens wrote the e-mail. May have been referring to 501c(4).
Or not.
Michael Hafner – December 2014 was the first time formally (in writing) that MH advised EG campaign should form a committee. Before that informally.
Michael Hafner – Knew it was “The Mission Continues” list, but had no idea it was acquired illegally. “You don’t expect someone with a degree in ethics to acquire a list by other than lawful means.”
That sums it all up right there.
Michael Hafner – EG asked MH to go over “Mission Continues” list to discuss donors with individual at charity. It was clear coordination between charity and campaign. Believed it was unethical.
Michael Hafner – Rep. Trent pressed why MH didn’t discuss his concerns with campaign or Greitens.
I’ll bet $20.00 that Rep. Trent is a “no” vote in committee on articles impeachment. Just guessing, really.
Michael Hafner – Discussion. 501c(3) donor list can’t be exclusively made available to one candidate. Theoretically they could make their list available to everybody.
Michael Hafner – “He [EG] was elected as a Republican. He’s a Republican.”
Michael Hafner – Monu [Joseph] had donors who didn’t want to disclose.
Missouri House Special Investigative Committee on Oversight – hearing live stream
Committee adjourns for the day.
The Missouri House Special Investigative Committee on Oversight charged with investigating Governor Eric Greitens (r) heard testimony from Michael Hafner, a political consultant who worked for the campaign early on.
Marshall Griffin @MarshallGReport
I’m summarizing this – not quoting – but @HafnerMO basically told the Mo. House Cmte that @EricGreitens, formerly a Democrat, had to be taught how to speak Republican. #moleg #greitensreport #greitensindictment 11:21 AM – 29 May 2018
Tony Messenger @tonymess
If Cole County prosecuting attorney Mark Richardson were listening to #GreitensImpeachment hearings today he would be hearing a lot of testimony about potential ethics violations surrounding formation of @EricGreitens campaign. 11:42 AM – 29 May 2018
My running comments on the testimony, via Twitter:
Missouri House Special Investigative Committee on Oversight – hearing live stream
The hearing has not started yet. Announcement: the Chair is meeting with the Speaker.
Michael Hafner – testifying before the committee
Chair asked if he stands by his previous testimony before the committee. “Yes.”
Michael Hafner – meeting in 2014, discussing Greitens running for statewide office. “We knew that he was planning on running for office in 2016.” “It seemed that his mind was made up on running.”
Michael Hafner – set up meeting of major donors in 2014. Greitens attended that meeting – @ March13, 2014.
Michael Hafner – meeting with another group of donors in March 2014. MH attended. Introductory for Greitens to influential donors.
Michael Hafner – e-mail looking for researcher for “inoculation file” on Greitens. To check for vulnerabilities.
Michael Hafner – meeting – researcher, demographer, media buyer, national pollster, others – presentations for EG “and his wife” – discussion of groundwork for campaign. Meeting at hotel of donor.
Michael Hafner – “I don’t know if they ‘comped’ the room.”
Michael Hafner – Agenda – to follow up to vendor meeting. EG was very interested in advancing the campaign.
Michael Hafner – statement that they helped EG draft as he was stepping down from the charity. Address story to Missouri Scout – maybe about EG having Democrat ties.
Michael Hafner – advice at the time to “have a very short statement” to address Missouri Scout post. Ended up being longer.
Michael Hafner – Being solicited by national Democrats to run – “I think that’s what Eric wanted people to believe.” Other way around – EG solicited national Democrats to get him to run.
Michael Hafner – January 2015 started getting paid – Greitens Group paid him – for political work.
Michael Hafner – A lot of discussion in Fall 2014 – MH and David Barklage suggested he start a committee numerous times for fundraising purposes. Asked MEC – EG was doing political.
Michael Hafner – MEC suggested EG open candidate committee. Greitens disregarded that.
Michael Hafner – Greitens wanted to use March 2015 book release as a launch for his campaign. “We advised him to open a committee [before that].” Greitens wanted to wait until after his book tour.
Michael Hafner – January 15, 2016. Two weeks before that MH started working for campaign. “Was your rate of pay more than $500 for those two weeks?” “Yes.”
Michael Hafner – Document to Laub and Bobeck – “to do” things – follow through – there were campaign contributions. “Had EG been soliciting campaign contribution before that?” “Yes.”
Michael Hafner – Exhibit 88 – E-mail. radio plan provided to EG in 2014 by other consultants. Plan to air ads on conservative radio for EG.
Michael Hafner – “It was my understanding that radio plan was to be coordinated to launch of book.”
Michael Hafner – EG certainly had the Democrat ties (citing Bob Holden). EG had to be educated as to “conservative” policies.
Michael Hafner – Question: “Didn’t the Greitens camp describe you as a disgruntled employee.” “Yes.”
Michael Hafner – “I am here because the governor and his team were untruthful to the MEC about the donor list.”
Michael Hafner – “[Even in] there was a hesitancy in 2015 to conduct inoculation research.”
Michael Hafner – December 12, 2014 e-mail – about conversation with MEC about EG having a continuing or candidate committee.
Michael Hafner – “It was our advice that EG open a committee if he was spending money on campaign activities.”
Michael Hafner – Question: “It is typical that you’re spending this amount of time on a candidate who’s not going to run.” “Not typical.”
Michael Hafner – Question: “You personally advised him to open a committee [in 2014].” “Yes, personally and in writing.”
Michael Hafner – If EG had told us at the time that he was running for governor we wouldn’t have spent the time because we didn’t think he should run for governor.
Missouri House Special Investigative Committee on Oversight – hearing live stream
Michael Hafner – Question: “What’s the purpose of a 501c(3)?” “To conceal the identity of donors.”
Well, he’s established his honesty.
Michael Hafner – “Foreign money was discussed and that money being contributed by foreign entities. [MH left campaign] I don’t know how far those discussions went. [after that].”
Michael Hafner – Contributor/bundler wanted to know if there avenues to contribute [non-profits or C(4)s] to the campaign without disclosing donors.
Missouri House Special Investigative Committee on Oversight – hearing live stream
Committee recesses until 12:45 p.m.
It does indeed look like the Missouri Ethics Commission has some work to do.
A company is in the process of creating an “up to” 6,999 beef cattle confined animal feeding operation (CAFO) on 400 acres on U.S. 50 in western Johnson County, just west of Powell Gardens. The Missouri Department of Natural Resource held a permit hearing in Warrensburg on Tuesday evening.
Chuck Petentler, a Johnson County resident, spoke:
[Chuck Petentler][spelling] I’m a Jonson County resident, about thirty-five years. You know, sometimes at the end of the day you just got to do what’s right. You might look at the, uh, all the statistics and do they meet minimum specifications. And maybe the answer is, yes they do. So maybe you can do the right thing. But, or really good, what’s right. What’s important is to do the right thing. You know, I look these people here with the red shirts. If anything they said is remotely true. There’s a chance that, yes, they will suffer some severe illnesses or, or their lifestyle will be, will be, will be changed. If there’s a chance, let’s say, uh, one in ten. My opinion, that’s enough to say, wait. [applause] Think about it. [shouting] Don’t think about what’s right [inaudible], think about doing the right thing. [applause]
A company is in the process of creating an “up to” 6,999 beef cattle confined animal feeding operation (CAFO) on 400 acres on U.S. 50 in western Johnson County, just west of Powell Gardens. The Missouri Department of Natural Resource held a permit hearing in Warrensburg on Tuesday evening.
Eric Tschanz, Director Emeritus, Powell Gardens spoke:
[Eric Tschanz][spelling] I’m the Director Emeritus of Powell Gardens. [turning to audience] I’m not a hired gun. I’m retired. Okay? Um, and I won’t repeat all the numbers of the volumes of urine and manure that will be produced. It is amazing. But I will state that for my own home sanitary system I had to meet more stringent requirements on my three acres. [applause] I do this within three miles of this factory zone. So I ask the DNR today to deny this permit and as the DNR take a step forward. Help save this planet for our children and our grandchildren. Thank you. [applause]
A company is in the process of creating an “up to” 6,999 beef cattle confined animal feeding operation (CAFO) on 400 acres on U.S. 50 in western Johnson County, just west of Powell Gardens. The Missouri Department of Natural Resource held a permit hearing in Warrensburg on Tuesday evening.
Aimee Davenport of Stinson, Leonard, Street spoke on behalf of Powell Gardens:
Good evening. I’m Aimee Davenport with the law firm of Stinson, Leonard, Street on behalf of Powell Gardens. [spelling] Thank you very much for this opportunity to comment. Uh, part of my, uh, career in clean water work involves reviewing permits, uh, for compliance, reviewing regulations, statutes, and writing permit terms, um, as necessary. Both on the, on the private side as well as, uh, previously in the public sector.
And never before have I seen a situation that warrants a permit denial more than this one. [applause] Valley Oak Steak Company is applying for a general permit that is meant and its purpose is to govern standard, a category of standard operations, a category of very similar operations. And it contains very standard environmental protection provisions. This is not a standard operation. Missouri’s own regulations only require a general permit, uh, to be issued for categories of operations that are substantially similar in nature, have substantially similar effluent discharges and that can substantially conditioned in the same manner to protect waters of the state. This permit doesn’t do that.
One of the ways, uh, to begin with, one of the ways this is such a different situation is, is the population density that we’re dealing with here. Within a few mile radius we have six thou, over six thousand people. Within a two mile radius we still over a thousand families. And of course, as you’re hearing from me and my, my colleagues at Powell Gardens you have a priceless community treasure within three miles that is, will be devastated with the issuance of this permit.
So this is not a standard situation. It needs to be viewed as that. It needs to be evaluated in environmental standpoint, um, as a very special situation due to the nature of the population density and the exotic community gardens that is within three miles of that facility.
Secondly, the combined nature of what they’re doing and the slaughterhouse Valley Oaks [inaudible] the existing slaughterhouse and the addition of almost 7,000 cattle, uh, the combined environmental impacts of those things need to be viewed together not separately. Which is what, uh, Valley Oaks, uh, is attempting to do with its separate permit process, processes. And that is not, um, that’s not consistent with the departments view on watershed planning and viewing environmental im, impacts in a totality of circum, circumstances. And we’re asking you to, to do that with Valley Oaks’ proposal.
Lastly, the permit application as submitted is, is severely deficient in many ways as my colleague after me will, will speak to in later detail.
For these reasons we ask you to please deny the general permit requested by Valley Oaks. Thank you. [applause]
A company is in the process of creating an “up to” 6,999 beef cattle confined animal feeding operation (CAFO) on 400 acres on U.S. 50 in western Johnson County, just west of Powell Gardens. The Missouri Department of Natural Resource held a permit hearing in Warrensburg on Tuesday evening.
Al Weir, a resident of the area, spoke at the hearing:
My name is Al Weir [spelling]. My wife and I live in Rock Lake Village, small community [inaudible], spring fed lake. We bought our dream home, put everything we had into it, find out now that somebody wants to take that away, along with the twenty-five other people that live in our community. I’ve spent my life defending this country. We have rights. We as individuals and communities have rights. And it’s not right for somebody else to walk in because they want to make money and take away what we have earned and worked for our entire lives. Our water [applause] will be destroyed, the wildlife will be destroyed, our health will be destroyed because somebody wants to make money. [applause]
A company is in the process of creating an “up to” 6,999 beef cattle confined animal feeding operation (CAFO) on 400 acres on U.S. 50 in western Johnson County, just west of Powell Gardens. The Missouri Department of Natural Resource held a permit hearing in Warrensburg on Tuesday evening.
Tabitha Schmidt, CEO President of Powell Gardens, spoke at the hearing:
Thank you. My name’s Tabitha Schmidt [spelling]. I’m the CEO President of Powell Gardens. Nick elaborated on the history of the gardens. I would like to talk about where the gardens are today. This year is our thirtieth anniversary as an official botanical garden. We have grown to become a cultural community treasure in the Kansas City region. And as Dick said we are the answer to the Missouri Botanical Garden on the St. Louis side. We are, Powell Gardens, is Kansas City’s botanical garden. We have seven themed gardens, including a twelve acre edible landscape where we operate a community supported agricultural membership program. We sell our produce to the community to consume. We are a nine hundred and seventy acre site. We maintain one hundred botanical acres. And I think what is really important to understand is that a botanical garden is a living museum. We have a living collection that we care for. Our mission is to conserve, preserve and educate. We are about the Midwestern spirit of place and the importance of plants in our lives. That is what we do here.
We have a hundred thousand visitors and many, many people make memories. We bring joy to the community. There are weddings, there are memorial services. There are festivals, like our festival of butterflies that has been over twenty years in, in its making. We just launched a festival of lights last year. We had over twenty-two thousand people visit us in a five week period.
The irony of all of this is that this is happening at a time that Powell Gardens is actually in the middle of a capital campaign. We’ve raised almost ten million dollars for endowment and capital improvements, including a chapel study that is now being constructed, a dressing room for our chapel where many couples get married and people are honored in death. And we are raising money for a new front entrance that will be right on [U.S.] 50 Highway, grand entrance, really stating the cultural treasure that we have become after thirty years of history.
And we are very concerned about what this CAFO will do to the future of Powell Gardens and we urge the DNR and any other regulators and people in this decision making process to seriously consider not only what this could do to the neighborhood, but also to a very important community treasure, Powell Gardens. Thank you. [applause]
A company is in the process of creating an “up to” 6,999 beef cattle confined animal feeding operation (CAFO) on 400 acres on U.S. 50 in western Johnson County, just west of Powell Gardens. The Missouri Department of Natural Resource held a permit hearing in Warrensburg on Tuesday evening.
Outside the Warrensburg Community, site of the DNR hearing, two and a half hours before the start of the hearing:
“Protect our Water…”
Opponents of the of the confined animal feeding operation (CAFO):
Supporters of the CAFO for “up to” 6,999 cattle on 400 acres:
We’re not absolutely certain that they’re neighbors.
Kansas City media market network affiliates sent crews to cover the hearing:
“Farms not Factories”
Department of Natural Resources staff during the public comment portion of the hearing: