That would be next.

Another gun fetishist bill, filed today:

HB 872

Removes the renewal requirements for concealed carry endorsements making them valid for life if not suspended or revoked

Sponsor: Schatz, Dave (061)

Co-Sponsor: Kolkmeyer, Glen (053) … et al.

Proposed Effective Date: 8/28/2013

LR Number: 2052L.01I

Last Action: 3/14/2013 – Introduced and Read First Time (H)

[….]

Apparently maintaining the qualification of 15 of 20 rounds hitting a B-27 silhouette target at seven yards isn’t that important. As if spray and pray would be just dandy in a school classroom.

Previously:

HB 162: Tenthers and guns, what could go wrong? (January 15, 2013)

HB 170: so much for “originalism” (January 16, 2013)

HB 276: Shootout at the K-12 corral? (January 27, 2013)

HB 350: “Nobody move suddenly, he’s got a duck and he knows how to use it.” (January 29, 2013)

HB 436: loonier than Wayne LaPierre at a press conference (February 5, 2013)

HB 420: when pie tins are outlawed, only outlaws will have pie tins (February 5, 2013)

Missouri General Assembly: it’s their world, the rest of us only get to live in it (February 18, 2013)

HB 633: we really never do get out of junior high school (February 18, 2013)

HB 640: the devil is always in the details (February 20, 2013)

HB 640: ballots don’t kill people, people do (February 20, 2013)

HB 754: yet another double plus ungood gun fetishist bill (March 3, 2013)

HB 818: it’s gotta be another gun bill, the republican run General Assembly is in session (March 7, 2013)

HB 859: shuffling the ammo magazines on the Titanic (March 14, 2013)

Another gun fetishist bill, introduced yesterday:

HB 859

Allows for conversion of concealed carry endorsements to concealed carry permits, eliminates concealed carry endorsements and replaces them with concealed carry permits

Sponsor: Brattin, Rick (055)

Co-Sponsor: McCaherty, John (097) … et al.

Proposed Effective Date: 8/28/2013

LR Number: 2043L.01I

Last Action: 3/13/2013 – Introduced and Read First Time (H)

[….]

This must be close to a personal best for obsessive compulsive devotion to subject matter during a legislative session.

Previously:

HB 162: Tenthers and guns, what could go wrong? (January 15, 2013)

HB 170: so much for “originalism” (January 16, 2013)

HB 276: Shootout at the K-12 corral? (January 27, 2013)

HB 350: “Nobody move suddenly, he’s got a duck and he knows how to use it.” (January 29, 2013)

HB 436: loonier than Wayne LaPierre at a press conference (February 5, 2013)

HB 420: when pie tins are outlawed, only outlaws will have pie tins (February 5, 2013)

Missouri General Assembly: it’s their world, the rest of us only get to live in it (February 18, 2013)

HB 633: we really never do get out of junior high school (February 18, 2013)

HB 640: the devil is always in the details (February 20, 2013)

HB 640: ballots don’t kill people, people do (February 20, 2013)

HB 754: yet another double plus ungood gun fetishist bill (March 3, 2013)

HB 818: it’s gotta be another gun bill, the republican run General Assembly is in session (March 7, 2013)

Today, in Jefferson City, at the state capitol:

A sign (right) on the window in Representative Eric Burlison’s (r) office.

The answer to everything.

Representative Rick Brattin (r) is the republican controlled General Assembly’s poster boy for right wingnut legislation. A bill, introduced on January 23, 2013 – in regard to arming school teachers and/or school administrators:

FIRST REGULAR SESSION

HOUSE BILL NO. 276

97TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY

INTRODUCED BY REPRESENTATIVES BRATTIN (Sponsor), COX, BAHR, SMITH (120), NEELY, BROWN AND MCGAUGH (Co-sponsors).

0608L.02I      D. ADAM CRUMBLISS, Chief Clerk

AN ACT

To repeal sections 571.107 and 590.010, RSMo, and to enact in lieu thereof six new sections relating to school protection officers, with penalty provisions.

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the state of Missouri, as follows:

           Section A. Sections 571.107 and 590.010, RSMo, are repealed and six new sections enacted in lieu thereof, to be known as sections 160.665, 571.107, 590.010, 590.200, 590.205, and 590.207, to read as follows:

           160.665. 1. Any school district within the state may designate one or more elementary or secondary school teachers or administrators as a school protection officer. The responsibilities and duties of a school protection officer are voluntary and shall be in addition to the normal responsibilities and duties of the teacher or administrator. Any compensation for additional duties relating to service as a school protection officer shall be funded by the local school district, with no state funds used for such purpose.

           2. Any person designated by a school district as a school protection officer shall be authorized to carry concealed firearms in any school in the district and shall be required to keep such firearm on his or her person at all times while on school property. Any school protection officer who violates this subsection shall be removed immediately from the classroom and subject to employment termination proceedings.

           3. Any person designated as a school protection officer may detain, on view, any person the officer sees violating or who such officer has reasonable grounds to believe has violated any law of this state, including a misdemeanor or infraction, or any policy of the school.

           4. Any person detained by a school protection officer for violation of any state law shall, as soon as practically possible, be turned over to a law enforcement officer. However, in no case shall a person detained under the provisions of this section be detained by a school protection officer for more than four hours.

           5. Any person detained by a school protection officer for violation of any school policy shall, as soon as practically possible, be turned over to a school administrator. However, in no case shall a person detained under the provisions of this section be detained by a school protection officer for more than four hours.

           6. Any teacher or administrator of an elementary or secondary school who seeks to be designated as a school protection officer shall request such designation, in writing, and submit it to the superintendent of the school district which employs him or her as a teacher or administrator. Along with this request the teacher or administrator shall also submit proof that he or she has a valid concealed carry endorsement and shall submit a certificate of school protection officer training program completion from a training program approved by the director of the department of public safety which demonstrates that such person has successfully completed the training requirements established by the POST commission under chapter 590 for school protection officers.

           7. No school district may designate a teacher or administrator as a school protection officer unless such person has a valid concealed carry endorsement and has successfully completed a school protection officer training program which has been approved by the director of the department of public safety.

           8. Any school district which designates a teacher or administrator as a school protection officer shall, within thirty days, notify, in writing, the director of the department of public safety of the designation which shall include the following:

           (1) The full name, date of birth, and address of the officer;

           (2) The name of the school district; and

           (3) The date such person was designated as a school protection officer.

Notwithstanding any other law, any identifying information collected under the authority of this subsection shall not be considered public information and shall not be subject to a sunshine request made under chapter 610.

           9. A school district may revoke the designation of a person as a school protection officer for any reason and shall immediately notify the designated school protection officer, in writing, of the revocation. The school district shall also within thirty days of the revocation notify the director of the department of public safety, in writing, of the revocation of the designation of such person as a school protection officer.

           10. The director of the department of public safety shall maintain a listing of all persons designated by school districts as school protection officers and shall make this list available to all law enforcement agencies.

[….]

[emphasis in original]

Further into the bill the language removes restrictions on conceal carry:

….(10) Any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility without the consent of the governing body of the higher education institution or a school official or the district school board, unless the person with the concealed carry endorsement or permit is a teacher or administrator of an elementary or secondary school who has been designated by his or her school district as a school protection officer and is carrying a firearm in a school within that district, in which case no consent is required. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises….

[emphasis in original]

Wait a minute. Will a university within a school district have to allow guns on their campuses for K-12 teachers or administrators who are designated as “school protection officers”? Just asking.

But wait, there’s more:

[….]

(6) “School protection officer”, an elementary or secondary school teacher or administrator who has been designated as a school protection officer by a school district.

           590.200. 1. The POST commission shall:

           (1) Establish minimum standards for the training of school protection officers;

           (2) Set the minimum number of hours of training required for a school protection officer; and

           (3) Set the curriculum for school protection officer training programs.

           2. At a minimum this training shall include:

           (1) Instruction specific to the prevention of incidents of violence in schools;

           (2) The handling of emergency or violent crisis situations in school settings;

           (3) A review of all state criminal laws;

           (4) Training involving the use of defensive force; and

           (5) Training involving the use of deadly force.

           590.205. 1. The POST commission shall establish minimum standards for school protection officer training instructors, training centers, and training programs.

           2. The director shall develop and maintain a list of approved school protection officer training instructors, training centers, and training programs. The director shall not place any instructor, training center, or training program on its approved list unless such instructor, training center, or training program meets all of the POST commission requirements under this section and section 590.200. The director shall make this approved list available to every school district in the state.

           3. Each person seeking entrance into a school protection officer training center or training program shall submit a fingerprint card and authorization for a criminal history background check to include the records of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the training center or training program where such person is seeking entrance. The training center or training program shall cause a criminal history background check to be made and shall cause the resulting report to be forwarded to the school district where the elementary school teacher or administrator is seeking to be designated as a school protection officer.

           4. No person shall be admitted to a school protection officer training center or training program unless such person submits proof to the training center or training program that he or she has a valid concealed carry endorsement.

           5. A certificate of school protection officer training program completion may be issued to any applicant by any approved school protection officer training instructor. On the certificate of program completion the approved school protection officer training instructor shall affirm that the individual receiving instruction has taken and passed a school protection officer training program that meets the requirements of this section and section 590.200 and that the individual has a valid concealed carry endorsement. The instructor shall also provide a copy of such certificate to the director of the department of public safety.

           590.207. 1. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person designated as a school protection officer under the provisions of section 160.665 who fails to properly carry his or her concealed weapon on his or her person at all times while on school property as proscribed under subsection 2 of section 160.655 shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor and shall be subject to employment termination proceedings within the school district.

           2. Any school employee who discloses any information collected under subsection 8 of section 160.655 that contains identifying personal information about any person designated as a school protection officer to anyone other than those authorized to receive the information under subsection 8 of section 160.655 shall be guilty of a class B misdemeanor and shall be subject to employment termination proceedings within the school district.

[emphasis in original]

“…Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person designated as a school protection officer under the provisions of section 160.665 who fails to properly carry his or her concealed weapon on his or her person at all times while on school property as proscribed under subsection 2 of section 160.655 shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor and shall be subject to employment termination proceedings within the school district…”

Well, if you’re a K-12 teacher or administrator and you’re gonna carry a concealed firearm under this law you have to do so all the time on any school property.

“…Any school employee who discloses any information collected under subsection 8 of section 160.655 that contains identifying personal information about any person designated as a school protection officer to anyone other than those authorized to receive the information under subsection 8 of section 160.655 shall be guilty of a class B misdemeanor and shall be subject to employment termination proceedings within the school district…”

As if anyone else couldn’t possibly notice? What is this, a “neutralize the parents who don’t want their kids going to school around guns in a free fire zone populated by amateurs” provision? Under this provision a school employee who is asked by a parent about guns in their child’s school can neither confirm nor deny the presence of those guns.

Previously:

HB 278: on the side of preening self-righteousness in the “War on Labor Day” (January 26, 2013)

HB 291: keping misooree stoopit (January 24, 2013)

HB 1109: because the contrived right wingnut “War on [the holiday season]” supersedes any sense (December 27, 2011)

A bill prefiled today in the Missouri House:

HB 70

Allows teachers and school administrators to carry concealed firearms on school premises if they have a valid concealed carry endorsement

Sponsor: Kelley, Mike (127)

Co-Sponsor: Brattin, Rick (055) … et al.

Proposed Effective Date: 8/28/2013

LR Number: 600L.01I

Last Action: 12/18/2012 – Prefiled (H)

[….]

Wait, aren’t public school teachers union thugs? And the republicans want to arm them in our schools?

Jobs, anyone?

A bill, filed today:

SECOND REGULAR SESSION

HOUSE BILL NO. 1968

96TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY

INTRODUCED BY REPRESENTATIVES PARKINSON (Sponsor), JONES (89), BAHR, FUNDERBURK, TILLEY, COX, SOMMER, GATSCHENBERGER, FRANKLIN AND FITZWATER (Co-sponsors).

[….]

AN ACT

To repeal section 571.107, RSMo, and to enact in lieu thereof one new section relating to signs posting private property off-limits for concealed firearms, with penalty provisions.

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the state of Missouri, as follows:

[….]

….(15) Any private property whose owner has posted the premises as being off-limits to concealed firearms by means of one or more signs displayed in a conspicuous place of a minimum size of [eleven] fifty-five inches by [fourteen] seventy inches with the writing thereon in letters of not less than [one inch] five inches. ….

[….]

[strike through emphasis added]

Think about that for a moment. Was this bill introduced because someone with a conceal carry permit couldn’t read a posted sign?

To qualify for a conceal carry permit an individual must receive a passing score of 15 of 20 rounds hitting a B-27 silhouette target at seven yards. One of the larger sizes advertised for a B-27 target is 24 x 45 inches.

Think about that for a moment. If this bill passes the required size of a posted no conceal carry sign would be significantly larger than the target someone would have to hit seventy-five percent of the time from a distance of seven yards to qualify for a conceal carry permit.

Not jobs, but, this being the republican controlled Missouri General Assembly, conceal carry.

Introduced yesterday:

HB 778

Allows certain persons to carry concealed firearms in the state capitol building or at a meeting of the general assembly if it is held in the state capitol building if they have a concealed carry endo

Sponsor: Riddle, Jeanie (020)

Co-Sponsor: Parkinson, Mark (016) … et al.

Proposed Effective Date: 8/28/2011

LR Number: 1229L.01I

Last Action: 3/08/2011 – Read Second Time (H)

Bill String: HB 778

Next Hearing: Hearing not scheduled

Calendar: HOUSE BILLS FOR SECOND READING

“Certain persons?” Who could that be?

The bill:

FIRST REGULAR SESSION

HOUSE BILL NO. 778

96TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY

INTRODUCED BY REPRESENTATIVES RIDDLE (Sponsor), PARKINSON, JONES (89), SCHOELLER, ALLEN, KEENEY, SMITH (150), SILVEY, TILLEY, ENTLICHER, RICHARDSON, WALLINGFORD, KORMAN, LEARA, BROWN (116), HIGDON, HOUGHTON, SCHATZ, PHILLIPS, GRISAMORE, LAIR, FISHER, LOEHNER, SCHAD, ROWLAND, SHUMAKE, CAUTHORN, FUNDERBURK, HINSON, HAMPTON, CROSS, CRAWFORD, BRATTIN, DAVIS, WHITE, FREDERICK, McCAHERTY, BERRY, BARNES, LANT, REIBOLDT, FUHR, BROWN (85), FITZWATER, LEACH, COOKSON, FRAKER, BAHR, WYATT, HAEFNER, MARSHALL, CONWAY (14), GUERNSEY, ASBURY, LARGENT, MOLENDORP, COX, BERNSKOETTER, REDMON, KLIPPENSTEIN, ZERR AND FRANZ (Co-sponsors).

1229L.01I                                                                                                           D. ADAM CRUMBLISS, Chief Clerk

AN ACT

To repeal section 571.107, RSMo, and to enact in lieu thereof one new section relating to carrying concealed firearms in the state capitol building, with existing penalty provisions.

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the state of Missouri, as follows:

           Section A. Section 571.107, RSMo, is repealed and one new section enacted in lieu thereof, to be known as section 571.107, to read as follows:

[….]

(5) Any meeting of the governing body of a unit of local government; or any meeting of the general assembly or a committee of the general assembly, except that nothing in this subdivision shall preclude a member of the body holding a valid concealed carry endorsement from carrying a concealed firearm at a meeting of the body which he or she is a member. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. Nothing in this subdivision shall preclude a member of the general assembly, a full-time employee of the general assembly employed under section 17, article III, Constitution of Missouri, legislative employees of the general assembly as determined under section 21.155, or statewide elected officials and their employees, holding a valid concealed carry endorsement, from carrying a concealed firearm in the state capitol building or at a meeting whether of the full body of a house of the general assembly or a committee thereof, that is held in the state capitol building;

[….]

[emphasis in original]

Heh. Except, members of the general public who hold valid conceal carry permits wouldn’t be able to carry in the galleries of the House or the Senate. That’s quite an exception, don’t you think? Wouldn’t letting those in the general public with valid conceal carry permits actually carry in the galleries and everywhere else in the capitol make everyone safer? Just asking.

And, there’s a very interesting absence among the co-sponsors of the bill:

Representative Denny Hoskins (r) – Town Halls: campus conceal carry (June 21, 2009)

[….]

Question:  So, are you going to allow people in the gallery in the House have con… guns? ‘Cause they can’t now. I’ve looked at the legislation, sir. They cannot now.

Representative [Denny] Hoskins: I, I wouldn’t be against that.

Question:Why don’t you introduce that as your legislation then? So that your colleagues could, people in the gallery can have guns in case somebody enters.

Representative Hoskins:  Well, and, and they currently, uh, they can have them out in the hallways. It’s just that they can’t have them in any, uh, I think…[crosstalk]

Question: Well you’re worried about the Kirkwood case, though?

Representative Hoskins: Right.

Question: Don’t you think you ought to have armed citizens sitting above you as you debate, uh, legislation on the floor of  [crosstalk] the General Assembly?

Representative Hoskins: If they’re, uh, properly trained and law abiding [crosstalk] citizens.

Question: Then intro…, why don’t you introduce that, too? The next time you want to make me safe, why don’t you make yourself safe and introduce the same thing? End the, the restriction in the House for conceal and carry?

Representative Hoskins: …but…[crosstalk]

Question: If Kirkwood is, is your, if…[crosstalk]

Representative Hoskins:  I, I didn’t introduce the legislation, so…[crosstalk]

Question: Yeah, but you’re my representative.

Representative Hoskins: I know.

Question: You voted to, to have guns where I work. You understand why I’m concerned about this?

Third person in audience: Are you concerned when you go to Wal-mart? Because people go to Wal-mart. Are you concerned when you walk down the street? Because people walk down the street with guns all the time. [crosstalk]

Question: Sir, I drove a taxicab in the City of Chicago for five years.

Third person in audience: Profess…[crosstalk]

Question: You bet. And no gun was gonna keep me safe. And when I finally had one pointed at the back of my head, had I pulled one out, he’d of got me before I got him…[crosstalk]

Third person in audience: [garbled]…they don’t have that in Illinois…[crosstalk]

Question: What? He’d of killed me before.

Third person in audience: Illinois doesn’t have a conceal carry permit.

Representative Hoskins: Sir, where, where do you think that, uh, guns should be allowed?

Question: Ooh, I, lord knows, having hit a deer, we gotta have, we gotta kill deer in this state. Oh, I love hunters. Please kill deer. Please kill the deer. But I don’t, you think I need a gun in here in this library right now? You think I, I, I feel unsafe? Do you feel unsafe? Because nobody has a gun?

Representative Hoskins: [inaudible] All right. Thank you….

[underline emphasis added]

“…I, I wouldn’t be against that…”

That must be the reason he didn’t sign on to the bill, right?

The Missouri General Assembly is in session. That means that there’s a pile of House conceal carry bills.

With apologies to Atrios.

HB 1781 Changes the laws regarding carrying concealed weapons in the State Capitol Building

Sponsor: Riddle, Jeanie (20) Proposed Effective Date: 08/28/2010

CoSponsor: Brown, Dan (149) ……….etal. LR Number: 3549L.01I

Last Action: 01/25/2010 – Read Second Time (H)

HB1781

Next Hearing: Hearing not scheduled

Calendar: Bill currently not on a calendar

SECOND REGULAR SESSION

HOUSE BILL NO. 1781

95TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY

INTRODUCED BY REPRESENTATIVES RIDDLE (Sponsor), BROWN (149), DIXON, VIEBROCK, ZERR, GUERNSEY, COX, DIEHL, SMITH (150), FRANZ, BRUNS, CUNNINGHAM, JONES (117), JONES (89), NOLTE, FLOOK, ICET, KINGERY, LOEHNER, WALLACE, SANDER, KRAUS, MUNZLINGER, GATSCHENBERGER, DAY, WRIGHT, FISHER (125), LAIR AND VIEBROCK (Co-sponsors).

3549L.01I                                                                                                                                                  D. ADAM CRUMBLISS, Chief Clerk

AN ACT

To repeal section 571.107, RSMo, and to enact in lieu thereof one new section relating to concealed carry endorsements, with a penalty provision.

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the state of Missouri, as follows:

           Section A. Section 571.107, RSMo, is repealed and one new section enacted in lieu thereof, to be known as section 571.107, to read as follows:

           571.107. 1. A concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize the person in whose name the permit or endorsement is issued to carry concealed firearms on or about his or her person or vehicle throughout the state. No driver’s license or nondriver’s license containing a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize any person to carry concealed firearms into….

…. (5) Any meeting of the governing body of a unit of local government; or any meeting of the general assembly or a committee of the general assembly, or the state capitol building except that nothing in this subdivision shall preclude a member of the governing body of a unit of local government holding a valid concealed carry endorsement from carrying a concealed firearm at a meeting of the body which he or she is a member and except that nothing in this subdivision shall preclude a member of the general assembly or an employee of the general assembly holding a valid concealed carry endorsement from carrying a concealed firearm at any meeting of the general assembly or a committee of the general assembly or in the state capitol building. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises….

[emphasis in original]

What would Representative Denny Hoskins (r – noun, verb, CPA) say about this?:

….Question:  So, are you going to allow people in the gallery in the House have con… guns? ‘Cause they can’t now. I’ve looked at the legislation, sir. They cannot now.

Representative Hoskins: I, I wouldn’t be against that.

Question: Why don’t you introduce that as your legislation then? So that your colleagues could, people in the gallery can have guns in case somebody enters.

Representative Hoskins:  Well, and, and they currently, uh, they can have them out in the hallways. It’s just that they can’t have them in any, uh, I think…[crosstalk]

Question: Well you’re worried about the Kirkwood case, though?

Representative Hoskins: Right.

Question: Don’t you think you ought to have armed citizens sitting above you as you debate, uh, legislation on the floor of  [crosstalk] the General Assembly?

Representative Hoskins: If they’re, uh, properly trained and law abiding [crosstalk] citizens.

Question: Then intro…, why don’t you introduce that, too? The next time you want to make me safe, why don’t you make yourself safe and introduce the same thing? End the, the restriction in the House for conceal and carry?

Representative Hoskins: …but…[crosstalk]

Question: If Kirkwood is, is your, if…[crosstalk]

Representative Hoskins:  I, I didn’t introduce the legislation, so…[crosstalk]

Question: Yeah, but you’re my representative.

Representative Hoskins: I know.

Question: You voted to, to have guns where I work. You understand why I’m concerned about this?….

Nope, nothing from Representative Hoskins on HB 1781. Yet.

A few other bills on the same subject:

HB 1206  Gatschenberger, Chuck

Lowers the age at which a person can obtain a concealed carry endorsement from 23 to 21 years of age and increases the period of time an endorsement is valid from three years to five years (LR# 3312L.01I)

HB 1232  Davis, Cynthia L.

Revises the crime of unlawful use of weapons by allowing any individual who is lawfully allowed to possess a firearm or weapon to openly carry it into any church or assembled place of worship (LR# 3299L.01I)

Why am I not surprised?

HB 1239  Davis, Cynthia L.

Increases the period of time a concealed carry endorsement is valid from three years to five years from the date of issuance or renewal (LR# 3378L.01I)

HB 1291  Burlison, Eric

Increases the period of time a concealed carry endorsement is valid from three years to five years from the date of issuance or renewal (LR# 3579L.01I)

HB 1352  Schad, Rodney

Increases the period of time a concealed carry endorsement is valid from three years to five years from the date of issuance or renewal (LR# 3603L.01I)

HB 1756  Dethrow, Mike

Changes the laws regarding concealed carry endorsements (LR# 3717L.02I)

HB 1787  Jones, Kenny

Changes the laws regarding defensive use of force by a property owner or lessor, lowers the age for obtaining a concealed carry endorsement, and exempts antique firearms from certain weapons offenses (LR# 4619L.01I)

HB 1944  Brown, Dan

Lowers the minimum age requirement for obtaining a concealed carry endorsement from 23 years of age to 21 years of age (LR# 4758L.01I)

HB 2076  Parson, Michael L.

Revises laws regarding concealed carry endorsements (LR# 4902L.01I)

The bills will face off at high noon.

(Uh, oh. Denny Hoskins (r – noun, verb, CPA) has some explaining to do. Then again, we’ve witnessed his lack of basic research skills in the past. – promoted by Michael Bersin)

As all “let’s expand conceal and carry” supporters know, conceal and carry permit holders don’t commit crimes.

My State Representative Denny “I do research” Hoskins told me. (I’m the one asking questions.)

Representative Hoskins: . . .  What it, what it came down to, and I did a lot of research on this. Um…. there has not been one incident, not only in Missouri, but the United States, with a conceal and carry permit holder committing a crime. And…[crosstalk]

Question: What?

Representative Hoskins: With their concealed firearm.

Question: What? Not a single one?

Representative Hoskins: I know, I know, it’s, it’s …[crosstalk]

Question: No, that’s not true, of course. That’s not true, of course.

Today, the New York Times reported on a study by the Violence Policy Center.  Hoskins will need to do some more research.

You can find the full report by the Violence Policy Center here.

Here are the three major results of the study.

P Over the two-year period May 2007 through April 2009, concealed handgun permit

holders have slain seven law enforcement officers resulting in criminal charges or the

suicide of the shooter. All of the killings were committed with guns. An additional three

law enforcement officers were injured in these incidents.

Over the two-year period May 2007 through April 2009, concealed handgun permit

holders have slain at least 44 private citizens resulting in criminal charges or the

suicide of the shooter. All but one of the killings were committed with guns. An additional

six private citizens were injured in these incidents.

In six of the 31 incidents (19 percent), the concealed handgun permit holder killed

himself, bringing the total fatality count to 57.

This study comes out as the US Senate is consider legislation forcing states to recognize conceal and carry permits from other states.

Hopefully, this study will put a stake into any more attempts to allow conceal and carry permit holders to bring their guns onto Missouri public universities.

And, of course, Denny Hoskins has one less argument to explain his vote on conceal and carry.

On Friday, June 19th, Representative Denny Hoskins (r – noun, verb, CPA) held town halls in Holden, Warrensburg, and Knob Noster. The events, in the middle of the day, were sparsely attended.

The liveliest exchanges were in Warrensburg and came from one individual who pressed representative Hoskins on two issues. We’ve previously covered the first exchange, on regressive taxes in: Representative Denny Hoskins (r) – Town Halls: was for the “fair” tax before he was against it

The second question, concerning conceal carry on university campuses, came at the end of the Warrensburg town hall, with the exchanges including a third person in the audience who had been using a small video camera to tape the town hall.

This statement by representative Hoskins early in the exchange “…And I, I received a lot of positive feedback from people who were for that as well, um, through e-mails…” was striking because we don’t have any way of confirming the content or quantity of those e-mails on the subject, since Representative Hoskins has asserted through the Clerk of the House that a request for that specific information [addressed to] from Representative Hoskins cannot be honored because the Missouri Sunshine Law does not apply:

Denny Hoskins (r): not a big fan of governmental transparency

“…1. All written and electronic correspondence with administrators, faculty, and students at the University of Central Missouri concerning legislation pertaining to the issue of concealed and carry of firearms in Missouri….”

The transcript of the conceal carry discussion at the Warrensburg town hall:

…Representative Denny Hoskins:…Other questions? Yes.

Question: Can you give me your philosophy as a representative I, and I ask this question within the context of the concealed carry bill?

Representative Hoskins: Yes.

Question: Because on our conversation, we had a private conversation over the phone about this, you told, you did not vote initially for the amendment when it came up, you, you were doing something else.

Representative Hoskins: All right.

Question: The, the [garbled]. And you were going to investigate it and you were going to talk to those people who were directly involved in the conceal and carry. [crosstalk]

Representative Hoskins: Right.

Question: And I know you received then, communication from the Faculty Senate which voted overwhelmingly against [garbled] conceal carry permit holders. The Students, who voted overwhelmingly against conceal and carry. I know you had communications with the head of Public Security, um, the university that said he was against it and moreover, his statewide organization had a resolution in February against it.

Representative Hoskins: Right…

…Question: The Board of Trustees voted against it. Given all of this information from your constituents you still voted for it. Can you explain your philosophy as our representative, explaining that?

Representative Hoskins: [garbled] And I, I received a lot of positive feedback from people who were for that as well, um, through e-mails and, and conversations that I had with…[crosstalk]

Question: As I pointed out, the Student Government Association, the Board of Trustees, the faculty, and the administration in overwhelming numbers voted against it. That’s all. Or, urged you to, to vote against it.

Representative Hoskins: Right, right. What it, what it came down to, and I did a lot of research on this. Um…. there has not been one incident, not only in Missouri, but the United States, with a conceal and carry permit holder committing a crime. And…[crosstalk]

Question: What?

Representative Hoskins: With their concealed firearm.

Question: What? Not a single one?

Representative Hoskins: I know, I know, it’s, it’s …[crosstalk]

Question: No, that’s not true, of course. That’s not true, of course.  [crosstalk] But, thank you.

Representative Hoskins: We’ll disagree to,  we’ll disagree to disagree. Uh, you know, there are other colleges and universities that allowed it, including Virginia’s community colleges, um, I believe Utah, Colorado, Colorado State has not had one incident. There’s not been one incident on, by any college or university on col…, on campus where a conceal and carry permit holder has committed a crime with a concealed firearm, committed suicide, had their firearm stolen, uh, there, there’s just none.

When Missouri first originally passed their conceal and carry law, you know, opponents to it said, “Oh, there’s gonna be shoot outs in the streets. It’s gonna be quick draw style.” That’s simply not happened. Ever. Not only in Missouri, but in the United States. And, I could not find one, uh, you know, I support the Second Amendment, and I could not find one incident that that ever happened. And based on that and multitude of other things, including the Appalachian Law School, where they had a, a armed assailant come in, uh, to actually, I don’t know if they were reserve police officers or off duty police officers, went out and, uh, got their firearms out of their vehicles. And, you know, currently at the university…[crosstalk]

Question: Can I ask a question about that? [crosstalk]

Representative Hoskins: …conceal carry…[crosstalk]

Question: ‘Cause that’s really interesting.

Representative Hoskins: Um, hm.

Question: They were reserve police officers. Is their right to have a gun, the training they go through, the same as what the training or the licensing for conceal and carry permit holders in the State of Missouri?

Representative Hoskins: Well, my understanding is that [garbled][inaudible].[crosstalk]

Question: Right, right, right. But, but, but, did their ability to have conceal and carry, their right to have one, as police officers, the equivalent of how you get a conceal and per…, per…, conceal and carry permit in the State of Missouri? Or was it perhaps just that test? Their test was slightly higher than what it takes to be a conceal and carry permit holder [crosstalk] in Missouri.

Representative Hoskins: I, I know that in, in the State of Missouri there’s lots of things you have [garbled]. You can name the requirements for conceal and carry?

Question: You bet. And it has, right. And, and, you know what the accurate, you know what the training is and what you have to demonstrate, proficiency you have to demonstrate?

Representative Hoskins: I’ve heard the…[crosstalk]

Third person in audience: Twenty out of twenty-five. [crosstalk]

Representative Hoskins: I know that you…[crosstalk]

Third person in audience: Twenty out of twenty-five.

Question: Twenty out of twenty-five. How far away?

Third person in audience: Seven yards.

Question: Seven yards. So if you hit twenty out of twenty-five at seven yards you [garbled] have a conceal carry permit. And, and how often are you retrained? [fourth voice in background, inaudible]

Third person in audience: You don’t have to retrain.

Question: Oh, so once you do it…[crosstalk]

Third person in audience: you’re responsible…[crosstalk]

Question: …that’s it. In, is that how…[crosstalk]

Third person in audience: You’re responsible for bringing yourself…[crosstalk]

Representative Hoskins: You have to take a background check. [crosstalk]

Question: What? [crosstalk] No, no, no.[crosstalk] [in react
ion to the interruption]

Third person in audience:Yes, yes you’re fingerprinted at the sheriff’s office. You have to do, pass a background check…[crosstalk]

Question: Right.

Third person in audience: …both federal and state. As well as, if you have an unpaid parking ticket, you cannot get your conceal carry license. So, it’s not like you’re getting, if, if someone’s going to commit a crime…they’re not going to be concerned with whether or not they’re supposed to have that gun. If I was gonna go kill a teacher, God forbid, I wouldn’t care, care if that, the least of my concerns would be whether or not I was supposed to have that gun in the first place. That would be the least of my concerns.

Question: So, no, no, no. I want to get this right though.  But, once you pass it, you’re never retested.

Third person in audience: Right.

Question: Police officers, once they become a police officer, they’re never tested on a gun again?

Representative Hoskins: Once I get my hunter safety permit I don’t have to get my hunter…[crosstalk]

Question: No, no, no, we’re talking about, you’re talking about the Appalachian State case. I mean, I talked to Bob Ahring [Director of Public Safety, University of Central Missouri], they are tested quarterly…[crosstalk]

Representative Hoskins: Right.

Question:…on guns.

Representative Hoskins: Right.

Question: Okay, if you want to allow…[crosstalk]

Representative Hoskins: Would you be okay…[crosstalk]

Question:…If you want to allow people to have guns where I work to make me safe, then have them meet the requirements of a regular police officer, if the Appalachian State is your example of why conceal and carry will make me safe.

Representative Hoskins: I think education…[crosstalk]

Question: Why don’t you do that? [crosstalk]

Representative Hoskins: …is an important part of it.

Question: Why, why don’t you introduce that bill?

Representative Hoskins: That’s a, that’s an interesting concept. I’ll look into that. So, you’d be for having conceal and carry…[crosstalk] on campus if they had to take additional training…

Question: Yeah, if a conceal and carry permit holder equals what a police officer has to go through. You bet.

Representative Hoskins: All right.

Question: And they regularly are retested quarterly the way the people charge of keeping me safe do now. Will you do that?

Third person in audience: You think the likelihood that police officer will be in a shootout  versus the likelihood that a normal citizen would be in a shootout may have something to do with the training requirements?

Question: Um, by the way, did you follow what happened at Holocaust, the Holocaust Museum?

Third person in audience: Yes.

Question: Who, who got Roeder? [von Brunn has been charged with the Holocaust Museum murder, Roeder has been charged with the Tiller murder in Wichita]

Third person in audience: The what?

Question: Who, who got Roeder?

Third person in audience: I can’t understand what you’re saying.

Question: Who got the guy who went in…[crosstalk]?

Third person in audience: The security guards did. [crosstalk]

Question: Thank you.

Representative Hoskins: You know, there,  there’s other examples that, you know, we had an unfortunate incident in Kirkwood City Hall. And, you know, the guy went in there, the assailant, the murderer, and he knew that there was two police officers in that building. One outside and one inside. So what did he do? He went, and he knew that conceal and carry was not allowed in the city council, uh, meeting, so, he went and killed the police officer in the parking lot. He went inside and killed the police officer inside. And then he had free rein inside the, uh, city council and killed two city council members, unfortunately. So, you know, there’s, there’s examples both ways.

Question:  So, are you going to allow people in the gallery in the House have con… guns? ‘Cause they can’t now. I’ve looked at the legislation, sir. They cannot now.

Representative Hoskins: I, I wouldn’t be against that.

Question: Why don’t you introduce that as your legislation then? So that your colleagues could, people in the gallery can have guns in case somebody enters.

Representative Hoskins:  Well, and, and they currently, uh, they can have them out in the hallways. It’s just that they can’t have them in any, uh, I think…[crosstalk]

Question: Well you’re worried about the Kirkwood case, though?

Representative Hoskins: Right.

Question: Don’t you think you ought to have armed citizens sitting above you as you debate, uh, legislation on the floor of  [crosstalk] the General Assembly?

Representative Hoskins: If they’re, uh, properly trained and law abiding [crosstalk] citizens.

Question: Then intro…, why don’t you introduce that, too? The next time you want to make me safe, why don’t you make yourself safe and introduce the same thing? End the, the restriction in the House for conceal and carry?

Representative Hoskins: …but…[crosstalk]

Question: If Kirkwood is, is your, if…[crosstalk]

Representative Hoskins:  I, I didn’t introduce the legislation, so…[crosstalk]

Question: Yeah, but you’re my representative.

Representative Hoskins: I know.

Question: You voted to, to have guns where I work. You understand why I’m concerned about this?

Third person in audience: Are you concerned when you go to Wal-mart? Because people go to Wal-mart. Are you concerned when you walk down the street? Because people walk down the street with guns all the time. [crosstalk]

Question: Sir, I drove a taxicab in the City of Chicago for five years.

Third person in audience: Profess…[crosstalk]

Question: You bet. And no gun was gonna keep me safe. And when I finally had one pointed at the back of my head, had I pulled one out, he’d of got me before I got him…[crosstalk]

Third person in audience: [garbled]…they don’t have that in Illinois…[crosstalk]

Question: What? He’d of killed me before.

Third person in audience: Illinois doesn’t have a conceal carry permit.

Representative Hoskins: Sir, where, where do you think that, uh, guns should be allowed?

Question: Ooh, I, lord knows, having hit a deer, we gotta have, we gotta kill deer in this state. Oh, I love hunters. Please kill deer. Please kill the deer. But I don’t, you think I need a gun in here in this library right now? You think I, I, I feel unsafe? Do you feel unsafe? Because nobody has a gun?

Representative Hoskins: [inaudible] All right. Thank you….

Some of our previous coverage on conceal carry and Denny Hoskins (r – noun, verb, CPA):

Denny Hoskins (r): “Mr. University President, tear down those signs…”

Denny, Denny, Denny…brush up on the first rule of holes

Denny, Denny, Denny…brush up on the first rule of holes, part 2

Missouri House news

Some more information on HB668 and Campus Conceal-Carry